Rock Island Trail Forum

I understand that the great bike shop in Hartsburg will be closing this year.......anyone else hear this??????

That is a GREAT bike shop!!!!!!!!

I have heard this rumor too. It is tough to make a living along the Trail. Mark is the best

(and only) certified bike mechanic in mid-Missouri. The guy who works on the bikes at

Rocheport comes to Mark for lessons and help with his work. Pam and Mark rent the bike

shop and I think there may be some issues there. Maybe if they could buy some land

somewhere else along the Trail they would move it? I don't know. If they close, they will be

missed.

Rumors of our death, it seems, have been greatly exagerated. We are not closed and have no plans to do so. Business has been growing by leaps and bounds this last year and we are busier than ever. That however could change in a day if everybody thinks we have closed. Thank you for the compliments, it is nice to know that we are appreciated and that our workmanship is admired. Pam and I plan to continue operating one of the best bike shops in Missouri for many years to come.



Sincerely Pam & Mark

Rocheport should also be classified as mid-Missouri. I have had conversations with Larry at the Trailside in Rocheport about his mechanic certification among other things, and from their website.....both Don and Larry are certified bicycle mechanics from Barnett Bicycle Institute.

The folks in Rocheport are fine with simple, basic repairs, but they don't know how to do

more complicated stuff like working on wheels, etc. My recollection is that the program they

went to is a week long certification whereas Mark's training was over several months and was

intense and tested training on all aspects of bike mechanics and building. Mark is also a

certified frame builder and builds great bikes. And, the shop in Rocheport is not full serve

the way Hartsburg is.

Thats good information to have....and thanks for it. My point was simply that he is NOT the "(.... only) certified bike mechanic in mid-Missouri." Good information you provided, but not truely accurate.

My wife and I just recently bought 2 mountain bikes and plan on riding the trail from Clinton to Windsor to start off with. The 2 bikes came with 26 X 1.95 knobby tires and I was wondering if any of you veterans of the trail out there could tell me if these are good tires for the trail or should I look at getting another kind of tire? And if so is there a bike shop in Clinton that would have those tires? Thank you all for your help.

Ready - what you have now will do in these initial stages of bicycle riding. As you both increase your distances and experience you may well then consider different tires, but for now those tires will serve you well. Enjoy the voyage......Mark of the Dalton Boys

Agree with above. Just get out there and enjoy. Regardless of tire choice, be certain someone in your group carries an extra tube or 2, the proper tools and pump and knows how to change a tube in the field. If you desire to get more information on specific tires for rail-trail use, I can email you an article I wrote that is too large to post in this forum. Mind you, I am just an amateur and am not in the bicycle business.

ready, what both the above said. have fun and happy bikin.

We can (and have) argued all day whether to ride roadie, baldy, or knobby tires. That is all a matter of personal choice based upon riding style and experience. There are two things we all agree on:

1) You must carry a patch kit, spare tubes, and tire tools.

2) You must know how to use the items listed in number 1.

I'd like an Amen from everyone on what I consider a third thing we should all agree on.

3) Your tires should have a Kevlar belt. The weight penalty is neglibile for riding on the KATY trail. It won't save you from all flats, but if only saves you from a fraction of the flats, it's work it.

Do I hear an "Amen"?

nails, thats an AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I neglected to suggest those things, and...."AMEN"!

I have used a lot of tires on the KATY.

Perhaps the best were the Continetal Touring 2000's and the Maxxis hookworms.

Thanks for all the advice all. The reason I was curious is the fact the trail being mostly crushed stone and I was figuring the knobby tires would cause drag and slow one down somewhat. I thought maybe a smoother tire would create less drag on the stones. The Kevlar belt is good advice and surely will be on my next tire purchases. I also have seen inner tubes available now with a gel insert, anyone have a comment on these good or bad? Thanks all.

i have not heard any good luck fron any gel filled tubes i thinh the best thing is to have 1 or two extra tubes and also a patch kit and for the comment on the kevlar tire it does not really help save any flats and actually weighs more than a steel belt tire the real advantage of the kevlar side wall is it is a foldable tire so you can take it with you on long rides for a spare good luck with the ride

Thank you for that very humorous post Ken.



AMEN Nails!!!!

Thanks Ken for a factual straight forward answer. MLH I did not post for humor but some factual help and answers wanting to be as best prepared beforehand on the trail.

RTG,



MLH indicated that Ken's post was the humorous one, not yours. I believe that the "steel belt" was what he found humorous as there is no bicyle tire I know of that has one.



I have real world evidence based upon hundreds of miles of riding on the KATY trail that Kevlar belts significantly reduces (not eliminate) flats. I grant you that nothing, not even Kevlar, will stop Nails.



Nails

I just can't figure out where you all ride that you need to "Amen!!!" flat resistant tires.....I've yet to have a flat on the Katy....I've yet to see glass, thorns, whatever, on the trail that made me think I needed special tires or tube gunk to prevent a puncture. Yes...I always carry a spare tube, patch kit, pump, etc....and I know how to use those items....I also watch where I'm going. I'll spend my tire money on gas getting to the trail. If I were the original poster, I'd be thinkin that I needed to go buy new tires, when what they have will work fine!



Enjoy the ride....you are in fact......"Ready To Go!"

Clarifications: Nails was referring to a kevlar belt, that is, a belt under the tread just like a steel belt found therein on auto and motorcycle tires. Even if there was such thing as a steel-belted bicycle tire (meaning commonly available), it would be MUCH heavier that a kevlar-belted one and the rolling resistance would be atrocious.



Also, I think Ken was trying to refer to a kevlar-BEADED folding tire (as opposed to steel-beaded, you know, the latter are the ones that hold their shape when you hang it on the wall), not a kevlar sidewall or belt. When a tire is made in both steel and kevlar-beaded versions, the latter is foldable and always lighter.



A kevlar or kevlar-like sidewall overlay is used on some MTB and Trekking tires to diminish pinch flats and sidewall blowouts. The amount of weight added is very little and it does not influence foldability. It's the bead that determines the latter.



Choosing a kevlar vs steel bead boils down to availabilty, price (kevlar costs a little more), weight (kevlar less) and packability (serious tourers like to pack extra tires, hence folding kevlar, not just tubes).



So full circle: A kevlar-BELTED tire is highly recommended for serious/consistent rail trail riders, especially for longer rides.



Just my 0.02, no disrespect intended and I just successfully cured my own insomnia.

Earlier in this discussion, MLH offered an article he had written on the subject of tire selection for the Katy Trail. He has graciously given permission to publish his informative article here on the website: Katy Trail Tire Selection

I agree that non-Kevlar belted tires will work just fine. However, just like a seat belt, Kevlar belts provide additional protection. I don't know how many miles you've ridden on the KATY, I've probably got 1000. The three flats that I recall were all on non-Kevlar belted tires. One in particular was from a pyrimidal shaped rock that was about 1/8" on a side. A Kevlar belt would have saved me from that flat.

Some of the links in the article that Ray referenced above have been changed. I will try to update this ASAP.

Just rode KC Airport to Boonville on roads, then Boonville to St. Charles on the trail, on a Bike Friday with 20" 115# Schwalbe City Marathons on the bike and 12" 35# tires on the little suitcase trailer. (I'm not sure what benefit I get from high-pressure bike tires while shlepping along the trailer on low-pressure ones, but I seem to have made the same 8-12 mph as everyone else...) NO flats, didn't even need to add air to any of the tires. When it was wet on the trail, I dropped to 7 sticky mph now & then and was sorely tempted to ride a few road miles alongside the trail, just for a break from the unrelenting friction.

As every one else has said, go with what works for you. Personally, I like the big knobby tires. At low speeds on pavement or concrete they cause a little vibration, but they smooth out at speed. When I'm on or off road, I like the traction they give me. Back when I had a road bike with those little skinny tires, I had it slide out from under me in a high speed corner once. The pavement was a little wet, I was going a little too fast, and I got to feel, see and taste the local plant life as I slid off the road and down through the ditch. I've never had that happen on my mt. bike. And now that I'm almost 50 years old, I don't really know whats happened but the dirt and rocks and such seem to be much, much harder than they were when I was 20. Hurts a heck of a lot worse when I hit them than it used to. Since I'm in exactly as good a shape now as I was then (HAR!!) it must be that the rocks have changed! As for the supposed drag the knobbies cause, well, I ain't tryin' to set no speed records anyway. Gives me time to smell the wild roses.



Get out and ride, have a good time, take some good pictures. Make this something that's so much fun you and your wife just can't wait to get out there and go again.

Talk to your bike guru -- he or she will have the best advice for you and your riding style. By the way, our small group (4) just finished the trail (Clinton to St. Charles)and we had 2 flats -- one was a VERY small thorn, the other was a small piece of glass.....we will all change to tougher tires before or next trail trip.......

This is to give you fare warning about the Katy trail. We rode from Boonsville to Mokane and it was a nightmare. Its long, hot, bad gravel road, and those dang mile markers, beware just be very ware.

To each his own. Every inch of the trail has something to offer me. In general, this section is great for chewing up miles. It's very flat, with very few road crossings, and (if I recall correctly) is well maintained. Other than the Rocheport area, it can be extremely solitary. This also condusive to riding head down to eat up the miles. When wanting to take in the view, there are the bluffs from Rocheport to Jefferson City, the famous tunnell at Rocheport, and the occasional hard body from MU jogging along.

The distance that you ride is up to you! That can be long or short.



The heat along the trail depends on each day and the time of day.



The Katy Trail was constructed as just that....a trail..not with the intent to be a "good" gravel road.



Those dang mile markers kinda give that railroad retro effect don't ya think? My computer lets me quickly jump back to the future though.



What is it that we all need to be aware of??

It's Missouri in May, you're supposed to expect hot and humid !! If you want smooth, then ride on the roads and fight the traffic !!

Two other couples and ourselves had reservations at Cooper's Landing the last week end of September. One couple had paid no money, one couple had paid for one night and we had paid for two nights. However due to the death of a brother in law (of all of us)in NC none of us were able to go to Cooper's Landing. We canceled on Wednesday before the Friday and Saturday night reservations. The gentleman in charge was rude over the phone and declined to repay any of the pre-paid money. The home page at that time did not mention any refund policies. I would not recommend their hospitality.

Two other couples and ourselves had reservations at Cooper's Landing the last week end of September. One couple had paid no money, one couple had paid for one night and we had paid for two nights. However due to the death of a brother in law (of all of us)in NC none of us were able to go to Cooper's Landing. We canceled on Wednesday before the Friday and Saturday night reservations. The gentleman in charge was rude over the phone and declined to repay any of the pre-paid money. The home page at that time did not mention any refund policies. I would not recommend their hospitality.

You should not be so quick to judge - you don't know the

circumstances of the people on Cooper's Landing - the person

may have seemed rude, but what about you?

You should not be so quick to judge - you don't know the

circumstances of the people on Cooper's Landing - the person

may have seemed rude, but what about you?

Cooper's Landing is very poorly run, if our experience is any indication. One couple was not ask to even send a deposit and the other two were told they had to pay one night ahead of time. When the two that paid ask for a refund (or even a partial refund) it was flatly refused and the man said just to collect from the ones who hadn't paid. What a poor way to do business!!! After this incident, we noticed they changed their site to say "No refunds." Would have been nice to know that before making our reservations.



I can tell you we were excited about staying on the river, biking the Katy Trail, and would have gone at a later date if we hadn't been treated so rudely. We will definately look for some place else to stay when we get to go.

Cooper's Landing is very poorly run, if our experience is any indication. One couple was not ask to even send a deposit and the other two were told they had to pay one night ahead of time. When the two that paid ask for a refund (or even a partial refund) it was flatly refused and the man said just to collect from the ones who hadn't paid. What a poor way to do business!!! After this incident, we noticed they changed their site to say "No refunds." Would have been nice to know that before making our reservations.



I can tell you we were excited about staying on the river, biking the Katy Trail, and would have gone at a later date if we hadn't been treated so rudely. We will definately look for some place else to stay when we get to go.

Cooper's is what it is.....if you are looking for a B&B experience this probably isn't the place for you. We ride there to eat at the Thai Kitchen at least two or three times a year and always stop there for a break when we ride to Rocheport.

Cooper's is what it is.....if you are looking for a B&B experience this probably isn't the place for you. We ride there to eat at the Thai Kitchen at least two or three times a year and always stop there for a break when we ride to Rocheport.

Coopers is a party spot. It is a laid back, who shows up shows up kind of place. The guy

who runs it is a heck of a nice guy, but it's no motel 6...and, if it was, it just wouldn't be as

much fun. Sorry you had a bad experience, but encourage you to stop by and visit

sometime...the thai food is fabulous, it is not unusual for some live bluegrass music to be

happening, and fine hospitality to be had.

Coopers is a party spot. It is a laid back, who shows up shows up kind of place. The guy

who runs it is a heck of a nice guy, but it's no motel 6...and, if it was, it just wouldn't be as

much fun. Sorry you had a bad experience, but encourage you to stop by and visit

sometime...the thai food is fabulous, it is not unusual for some live bluegrass music to be

happening, and fine hospitality to be had.

The post stating "it is what it is" is so right. It's a little riverside place, not a big QT or B&B. I've never spent the night so I can't speak to that, but always make a point to stop for snacks when I bike past. If you don't put any big expectations on the place, you'll be fine, because....it is what it is. I've always found a cold drink, snacks (Fritos!)and have been treated well. This season we plan to try the thai restaurant.

The post stating "it is what it is" is so right. It's a little riverside place, not a big QT or B&B. I've never spent the night so I can't speak to that, but always make a point to stop for snacks when I bike past. If you don't put any big expectations on the place, you'll be fine, because....it is what it is. I've always found a cold drink, snacks (Fritos!)and have been treated well. This season we plan to try the thai restaurant.

Cooper's is a great, laid back place to sit, watch the lazy river, have a beer and listen to

good music. The bonfires and the food make it one of my favorite places in the

summertime.



I have spent the night in the "apartment" above the store and it was like staying at my

grandmother's house--complete with overstuffed couches and recliners. It's not a

Rocheport B&B and as sbikes said in March, it wouldn't be as great if it were anything

other than what it is.

Cooper's is a great, laid back place to sit, watch the lazy river, have a beer and listen to

good music. The bonfires and the food make it one of my favorite places in the

summertime.



I have spent the night in the "apartment" above the store and it was like staying at my

grandmother's house--complete with overstuffed couches and recliners. It's not a

Rocheport B&B and as sbikes said in March, it wouldn't be as great if it were anything

other than what it is.

i know cooper's landing is a good spot i was born and raised down by easley and mcbaine so was my mother and my grandfater used to own alot of fields there. so mabe some people might be rude but that's because of a bad day or somethin other then that everyone pretty much knows everyone and are very friendly. stop also at lucy's she's my aunt she's got good food and bar also.

i know cooper's landing is a good spot i was born and raised down by easley and mcbaine so was my mother and my grandfater used to own alot of fields there. so mabe some people might be rude but that's because of a bad day or somethin other then that everyone pretty much knows everyone and are very friendly. stop also at lucy's she's my aunt she's got good food and bar also.