Trailhead Brewing Co (St Charles)
- + My wife and I have eaten here in the past and had a great time. This Saturday we went in and were told we weren't dressed appropriately. We just finished doing the entire trail, showered that mornin...
Discussion started 05/30/2006 09:58 AM by TimG - 13 replies (last reply by Dave at 06/24/2006 08:43 PM)TimG from Ozark, MO on 05/30/2006 09:58 AM
My wife and I have eaten here in the past and had a great time. This Saturday we went in and were told we weren't dressed appropriately. We just finished doing the entire trail, showered that morning and had clean clothes on. I guess my Katy Trail tank top was offensive to them. I'm 50 years old and haven't had anyone for at least 30 years say I wasn't dressed appropriately. My money is the same color and anyone else's and I won't buy their t-shirts so I can eat there.
TimG from Ozark, MO on 05/30/2006 09:58 AM
My wife and I have eaten here in the past and had a great time. This Saturday we went in and were told we weren't dressed appropriately. We just finished doing the entire trail, showered that morning and had clean clothes on. I guess my Katy Trail tank top was offensive to them. I'm 50 years old and haven't had anyone for at least 30 years say I wasn't dressed appropriately. My money is the same color and anyone else's and I won't buy their t-shirts so I can eat there.
savage24 from KC, MO on 06/02/2006 10:37 PM
I had the same experience a few years ago, except they loaned me a t-shirt to wear. (They require the men-folk to where shirts with sleeves.) I have eaten there 3 or 4 times and found the food and service to be 'average' at best.
savage24 from KC, MO on 06/02/2006 10:37 PM
I had the same experience a few years ago, except they loaned me a t-shirt to wear. (They require the men-folk to where shirts with sleeves.) I have eaten there 3 or 4 times and found the food and service to be 'average' at best.
Missouri Joe from O'Fallon, MO on 06/02/2006 10:56 PM
I've eaten there a few times but originally went because of the beer. As micro brews go, it's not much above average but considering the restaurant is in Budweiser country I'm not surprised at the beer being on the thin side. I have yet to try the beer in Augusta.
Missouri Joe from O'Fallon, MO on 06/02/2006 10:56 PM
I've eaten there a few times but originally went because of the beer. As micro brews go, it's not much above average but considering the restaurant is in Budweiser country I'm not surprised at the beer being on the thin side. I have yet to try the beer in Augusta.
Ray (Webmaster) on 06/03/2006 09:27 AM
I sent an email to the owner on 5/30 asking about their policy, but never got a response back. Just be aware that you may be turned away if you try to eat here in your exercise clothes.
Ray (Webmaster) on 06/03/2006 09:27 AM
I sent an email to the owner on 5/30 asking about their policy, but never got a response back. Just be aware that you may be turned away if you try to eat here in your exercise clothes.
pas from Wentzville Mo on 06/03/2006 11:13 AM
We have tried both Trailhead and Augusta Brewing, and prefer Augusta Brewing Co. In fact, we will be there tomorrow after our ride!
pas from Wentzville Mo on 06/03/2006 11:13 AM
We have tried both Trailhead and Augusta Brewing, and prefer Augusta Brewing Co. In fact, we will be there tomorrow after our ride!
Rhona Lococo from St. Charles, Mo. on 06/03/2006 07:02 PM
We own and operate Lococo House B&B and to our surprise our guests went out to dinner at the Trailhead restaurant and were turned away , because the mens were wearing sleeveless shirts ----- this is a street of businesses that make its living off of the tourism trade ------ I dont understand this policy ------ I guess we will have to consider our guets attire before we sugest places to eat ---- on Main Street -------Rhona Lococo
Rhona Lococo from St. Charles, Mo. on 06/03/2006 07:02 PM
We own and operate Lococo House B&B and to our surprise our guests went out to dinner at the Trailhead restaurant and were turned away , because the mens were wearing sleeveless shirts ----- this is a street of businesses that make its living off of the tourism trade ------ I dont understand this policy ------ I guess we will have to consider our guets attire before we sugest places to eat ---- on Main Street -------Rhona Lococo
Ray (webmaster) on 06/05/2006 02:36 PM
I got a response back from the restaurant - looks like you'll be OK if you wear sleeves:
"It is important to us that our customers and potential customers feel welcome here at Trailhead. Our dress code is stated, and posted in our lobby as follows:
Male Guest- We certainly do not require ties and jackets, but we do ask your compliance to our no-sleeveless shirt policy.
Our hostess will happily loan you a clean “Trailgear” shirt while you enjoy dining at Trailhead Brewing Co.
Trailhead has had a longstanding dress code policy which requires adolescent and adult males to wear shirts with sleeves. The policy is designed to preserve the decorum and public perception of the restaurant. Under Trailhead’s policy, male patrons who do not have shirts which conform with the dress code policy are provided a clean shirt with sleeves by Trailhead which does conform with Trailhead’s dress code policy."
Ray (webmaster) on 06/05/2006 02:36 PM
I got a response back from the restaurant - looks like you'll be OK if you wear sleeves:
"It is important to us that our customers and potential customers feel welcome here at Trailhead. Our dress code is stated, and posted in our lobby as follows:
Male Guest- We certainly do not require ties and jackets, but we do ask your compliance to our no-sleeveless shirt policy.
Our hostess will happily loan you a clean “Trailgear” shirt while you enjoy dining at Trailhead Brewing Co.
Trailhead has had a longstanding dress code policy which requires adolescent and adult males to wear shirts with sleeves. The policy is designed to preserve the decorum and public perception of the restaurant. Under Trailhead’s policy, male patrons who do not have shirts which conform with the dress code policy are provided a clean shirt with sleeves by Trailhead which does conform with Trailhead’s dress code policy."
sbikes from Kansas City on 06/05/2006 07:40 PM
So, tube tops on women are okay, but seeing a man's upper arms damages the "decorum and
public perception"???? Oh my!!
sbikes from Kansas City on 06/05/2006 07:40 PM
So, tube tops on women are okay, but seeing a man's upper arms damages the "decorum and
public perception"???? Oh my!!
Trek Biker from St. Joseph, MO on 06/05/2006 08:40 PM
–––Mental Note: Keep ridin to someplace that likes the decorum of green money.
Trek Biker from St. Joseph, MO on 06/05/2006 08:40 PM
–––Mental Note: Keep ridin to someplace that likes the decorum of green money.
Nails on 06/05/2006 09:51 PM
Many restaurants ask that males wear shirt sleeves because of the hygiene issues (real or imagined) associated with body hair. In particular armpit hair. Since it is the societal norm for women to shave their armpits in this country, women are allowed to be served in these same establishements in spaghetti straps or even sleeveless dresses. However, most of these same establishments would turn away women in tube tops. No word on what would happen if a woman in a sundress sporting a Euorpean look tried to be served.
Nails on 06/05/2006 09:51 PM
Many restaurants ask that males wear shirt sleeves because of the hygiene issues (real or imagined) associated with body hair. In particular armpit hair. Since it is the societal norm for women to shave their armpits in this country, women are allowed to be served in these same establishements in spaghetti straps or even sleeveless dresses. However, most of these same establishments would turn away women in tube tops. No word on what would happen if a woman in a sundress sporting a Euorpean look tried to be served.
Dave from Cincinnati on 06/14/2006 11:18 AM
I applaud any business that demands a minimum level of decorum. Been on a crowded flight lately w/ some rube in an Indiana wife-beater shirt tucked in beside you? I will definitely patronize this place of business on my way through........
Dave from Cincinnati on 06/14/2006 11:18 AM
I applaud any business that demands a minimum level of decorum. Been on a crowded flight lately w/ some rube in an Indiana wife-beater shirt tucked in beside you? I will definitely patronize this place of business on my way through........
ted from kansas city on 06/19/2006 12:30 AM
Dave in Cincinnati,
Most of the "rubes"I have ever met where from Ohio......be careful with the pot and kettle thing. To think that YOU of all people have ANYTHING on anyone west of your pathetic city is laughable.
ted from kansas city on 06/19/2006 12:30 AM
Dave in Cincinnati,
Most of the "rubes"I have ever met where from Ohio......be careful with the pot and kettle thing. To think that YOU of all people have ANYTHING on anyone west of your pathetic city is laughable.
Nails on 06/19/2006 06:53 AM
Watch it, Cincinatti has the Dolly Parton building. Wait a minute, that's considered a joke, not a plum. Anyhow, we all now know the dress code for Trailhead and can vote with our respective pocketbooks and still love one another in spite of our homestate rivalries.
Nails on 06/19/2006 06:53 AM
Watch it, Cincinatti has the Dolly Parton building. Wait a minute, that's considered a joke, not a plum. Anyhow, we all now know the dress code for Trailhead and can vote with our respective pocketbooks and still love one another in spite of our homestate rivalries.
Dave from Cincinnati on 06/24/2006 08:43 PM
Ted, how can you elucidate your feeble rants whilst failing to observe the laws of the English language. And besides, we have some of the best riots East of the Mississippi.
Dave from Cincinnati on 06/24/2006 08:43 PM
Ted, how can you elucidate your feeble rants whilst failing to observe the laws of the English language. And besides, we have some of the best riots East of the Mississippi.
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Twin Gables (Marthasville)
- + The pork chop sandwich was really good, huge, and cheap!
Discussion started 06/24/2006 07:38 PM by Vera - 0 repliesVera from Kent, OH on 06/24/2006 07:38 PM
The pork chop sandwich was really good, huge, and cheap!
Vera from Kent, OH on 06/24/2006 07:38 PM
The pork chop sandwich was really good, huge, and cheap!
Dutzow Deli & Restaurant (Dutzow)
- + We had a good breakfast here and it was friendly enough.
Discussion started 06/24/2006 07:37 PM by Vera - 0 repliesVera from Kent, OH on 06/24/2006 07:37 PM
We had a good breakfast here and it was friendly enough.
Vera from Kent, OH on 06/24/2006 07:37 PM
We had a good breakfast here and it was friendly enough.
Dave & Jacquie's (Defiance)
- + Visited during the week. Good food and service, not crowded, friendly. Full menu (breakfast, lunch and dinner). Cheap and clean.
Discussion started 06/24/2006 07:33 PM by Vera - 0 repliesVera from Kent, OH on 06/24/2006 07:33 PM
Visited during the week. Good food and service, not crowded, friendly. Full menu (breakfast, lunch and dinner). Cheap and clean.
Vera from Kent, OH on 06/24/2006 07:33 PM
Visited during the week. Good food and service, not crowded, friendly. Full menu (breakfast, lunch and dinner). Cheap and clean.
riding on chat
- + My husband and I are thinking about a Katy trip in October, and are trying to determine the distance we can comfortably cover each day. We have never ridden on chat, only paved trails, and wonder how...
Discussion started 06/21/2006 11:12 PM by Via - 5 replies (last reply by Via at 06/24/2006 12:09 AM)Via from Tulsa, OK on 06/21/2006 11:12 PM
My husband and I are thinking about a Katy trip in October, and are trying to determine the distance we can comfortably cover each day. We have never ridden on chat, only paved trails, and wonder how much more effort and time the crushed rock surface might require. He rides an Easy Rider recumbent, and I plan to take my EZ3 trike, which is heavier and slower. I find I comfortably cruise on a fairly flat, paved surface only about 7 or 8 mph, but though I am slow, I have good endurance. What percent increase would you guess? Thanks in advance. We have enjoyed the comment forum and look forward to the trail.
Joan Hunter from Sedalia, MO on 06/22/2006 01:32 PM
Hi, I have ridden the entire trail twice. I use a touring bike and am fine. The trail is packed, not soft, unless we have had recent rains. The best way is to start in Clinton and end in St. Charles. I know the trail well and have a Bed and Breakfast in Sedalia. Should you want to chat more, email me. Put the "Katy Trail" in your subject so I know it is not spam.
frank from festus on 06/22/2006 06:41 PM
via, in tulsa. i wouldn't think u would have a difficult time hittin 20-30 miles a day maybe more, depending on your schedule and how much you want to stop and rest and sight see. the trail is pretty much hard packed everywhere, on the order of concrete. there is the occasional soft spot, but few and far between. as far as after a rain storm, the last three yrs i have rode the katy during my g'sons state all star baseball games in columbia, usually the day after a good ole toad strangler of a rain storm and didn't have problem one. main thing is plenty of water before and during the ride. have fun and happy bikin.
Pat from Oklahoma City, OK on 06/23/2006 07:35 AM
I recently rode on the Katy for the first time. While the surface was not difficult to ride on, I found the rolling resistance to be considerably more than a paved surface and my average speed was slower than expected.
TRinJboro from Jonesboro, AR on 06/23/2006 12:05 PM
I agree with Pat, I found the rolling resistance of the chat surface to be 10% to 15% slower than asphalt.
Via from Tulsa, OK on 06/24/2006 12:09 AM
Thanks, all, for your observations. Joan, I'll be in touch as we firm up dates for the trip. Frank, we like to enjoy the surroundings as we ride. The recumbents make it easier to look around without neck strain, and the trike lets me slow down and even stop without wobbling or crashing. We will be sure to take plenty of water. Pat and TR, we were pretty sure the rolling resistance would be greater, but the 10 or 15% shouldn't be a problem, and we will adjust our mileage expectations accordingly. We really appreciate the estimates. Being a old canoeist, I am a firm believer in waterproof bags, and am going to try carrying dry bags rather than panniers for this trip. I have ordered several different sizes and am looking forward to playing around with configurations and ways to attach them to my seatback and rear basket. Thanks again!
Rocheport to McBaine VS Rocheport to New Franklin
- + We only have time for a quick ride on the trail with 2 children. Which route would be the best, most scenic, best sample of the Katy trail? Rocheport to McBaine or Rocheport to New Franklin.
Thanks...
Discussion started 06/20/2006 11:04 PM by runnergirl - 5 replies (last reply by Roger at 06/23/2006 06:52 PM)runnergirl from Olathe, KS on 06/20/2006 11:04 PM
We only have time for a quick ride on the trail with 2 children. Which route would be the best, most scenic, best sample of the Katy trail? Rocheport to McBaine or Rocheport to New Franklin.
Thanks.
ET from Columbia on 06/21/2006 02:39 PM
Rocheport to McBaine, hands down! But go just far enough west to see the tunnel.
frank from festus on 06/21/2006 04:10 PM
what ET said, definetly, and be sure and go through the rocheport tunnel. thats a must do. and by all means, have fun.
sbikes from Kansas City on 06/21/2006 08:28 PM
Ditto.
TRinJboro from Jonesboro, AR on 06/23/2006 12:07 PM
Double ditto
Roger from Fort Leavenworth, KS on 06/23/2006 06:52 PM
I enjoyed both equally. New Franklin had some interesting history. And some bluffs along the way.
McBaine had the tree and a store along the way plus more bluffs.
Latitude & Longitude Values
- + For all you GPSers and others who might be interested: I've added town latitude and longitude coordinates to the database, which made it possible to add a few new features to the website.
Here'...
Discussion started 06/21/2006 12:39 PM by Ray (webmaster) - 3 replies (last reply by Ray (webmaster) at 06/23/2006 07:49 AM)Ray (webmaster) on 06/21/2006 12:39 PM
For all you GPSers and others who might be interested: I've added town latitude and longitude coordinates to the database, which made it possible to add a few new features to the website.
Here's a page which summarizes
the latitude/longitude coordinates of Katy Trail towns, generally centering on the trailheads.
And if you visit the individual town pages, you'll see a new option above each town map, to view the map in Google Map format. This is simply an embedded Google map, which allows you to zoom and recenter the map. As an example,
here's the Rocheport page. If you page down you can see the Google-style map, the latitude/longitude values, and the dropdown list allowing you to switch between map formats.
There are pros and cons to each map format. With the graphic format you can easily see the trail and trailhead, and with the Google format you can use the zooming and centering features.
Jim from St. Thomas on 06/22/2006 01:24 PM
Does anyone know of a site that lists the elevations for all of the trailheads and or a topo map of the trail?
Nails on 06/23/2006 07:34 AM
You can pick off elevations all over the US at terraserverusa.com. Why don't you pick of the elevations and UTM coordinates (click on the Info tab) so Ray can fill out his table with the values? Here's the topo for the majority of the trail:
http://www.terraserverusa.com/image.aspx?T=2&S=18&Z=15&X=11&Y=83&W=3
Just click on the map to zoom and pan with the N/E/S/W tabs at the edge of the image.
Ray (webmaster) on 06/23/2006 07:49 AM
Yeah, if anyone has elevation info, just
pass it along to me and I'll be happy to add it to the website.
Parking in Sedalia
- + Anyone know where to park overnight in Sedalia? Last time we parked at the trailhead for an overnight trip, we got a ticket.
Discussion started 06/22/2006 01:10 PM by Cecelia - 2 replies (last reply by frank at 06/22/2006 06:27 PM)Cecelia from Overland Park on 06/22/2006 01:10 PM
Anyone know where to park overnight in Sedalia? Last time we parked at the trailhead for an overnight trip, we got a ticket.
Trek Biker from St. Joseph, MO on 06/22/2006 02:57 PM
I've parked in the lot east of the Trailhead and museum. The people that live adjacent to the lot keep an eye out on the lot according to the folks at the museum. You can also leave your name, car info, how long you plan on leaving your car, and cell number at the museum in the event they need to contact you. I left my car there for four days over Memorial weekend and it was not bothered.
frank from festus on 06/22/2006 06:27 PM
possibly try the state fair grounds parking area. don't know if u can, but worth a try.
Klondike Park (Augusta)
- + And you MUST make weekend reservations before Noon on Thursday - St. Charles County Park policy.
Discussion started 06/22/2006 12:36 PM by Dwight The Troubled Teen - 0 repliesDwight The Troubled Teen on 06/22/2006 12:36 PM
And you MUST make weekend reservations before Noon on Thursday - St. Charles County Park policy.
Dwight The Troubled Teen on 06/22/2006 12:36 PM
And you MUST make weekend reservations before Noon on Thursday - St. Charles County Park policy.
snapping turtles
- + Great, I saw a rattlesnake on a float trip once. But I have never seen a copperhead before. But I have caught Midland brown snake, garter snake, Speckled king snake, Black rat snake, Worm snake, ringn...
Discussion started 06/21/2006 03:51 PM by Adam dennis lassa - 1 reply (last reply by sbikes at 06/21/2006 08:30 PM)Adam dennis lassa from Fenton MO. on 06/21/2006 03:51 PM
Great, I saw a rattlesnake on a float trip once. But I have never seen a copperhead before. But I have caught Midland brown snake, garter snake, Speckled king snake, Black rat snake, Worm snake, ringneck snake, yellow-bellied racer, and Diamond back water snake. Plus 1 snapping turtle. The snakes I have always wanted to catch are hog nosed, Milk snakes, and rough green snakes.
sbikes from Kansas City on 06/21/2006 08:30 PM
I had never seen a copperhead either til I rode on the Trail and there are oooodles of them.
But, I have never had any problems with them. Mostly just lots of garter snakes.
Pictures from recent ride (Sedalia - St. Charles)
- + A buddy and I rode the trail the week of June 5, from Sedalia to St. Charles, and had a great trip. I rode my bike to the Kirkwood train station and took Amtrak to Sedalia. Cost is $22 plus $10 for th...
Discussion started 06/21/2006 06:31 PM by b3amos - 0 repliesb3amos from Manchester, MO on 06/21/2006 06:31 PM
A buddy and I rode the trail the week of June 5, from Sedalia to St. Charles, and had a great trip. I rode my bike to the Kirkwood train station and took Amtrak to Sedalia. Cost is $22 plus $10 for the bike. My friend and co-worker lives in Kansas City and met me in Sedalia. Here's a link to some pictures from our trip: http://www.pbase.com/b3amos/katy_2
Tandem tires for the Katy Trail
- + We are planning to ride our Burley tandem from Sedalia to St. Charles in early September. I plan to replace the tires (been on a long time) on our Mavic 559 x 17 wheels, and am seeking recommendation...
Discussion started 06/01/2006 08:44 PM by Eric - 4 replies (last reply by mark at 06/21/2006 06:02 PM)Eric from Yakima, WA on 06/01/2006 08:44 PM
We are planning to ride our Burley tandem from Sedalia to St. Charles in early September. I plan to replace the tires (been on a long time) on our Mavic 559 x 17 wheels, and am seeking recommendations from experienced riders out there as to which tires would be best for the trip. The team with stuff weighs around 380#. We normally ride paved streets so I would like to use tires that work ok under both circumstances. Probably a tall order, but thanks for your ideas. Eric.
MLH from Overland Park KS on 06/02/2006 08:47 AM
Check out this link to an article that addresses tires for tandems in particular (although they mostly discuss 700c):
http://www.precisiontandems.com/arttiresbymark.htm
The last section on crushed limestone is what you are dealing with on the Katy. Although I have no personal experience with tandems on rail trails, I have used Mavic 559 X 17 rims on my hardtail MTB for hundreds on miles therein. Have had the best luck with no punctures using Continental TravelContact 26 X 1.75 (559 X 47). You can use this on pavement also but not for mud.
http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/bicycle/themes/tires/city/travelcontact/travelcontact_en.html
Also, check out the Schwalbe Marathon XR. There are several dealers in the Seattle area found in the website dealer locator. Ask them about the proper width (and psi) for your load weight.
http://schwalbetires.com/node/166/ok
No experience with the Avocet Cross II in the article above but you would want the protective shield version.
Also, the first two above come in folding versions, nice to pack a spare for long trips.
Eric from Yakima, WA on 06/02/2006 12:13 PM
Thanks MLH- just the information I was looking for. BTW, we have kids living in Overland Park. Pretty nice area. Eric
Steve from Houston, TX on 06/20/2006 08:07 PM
We rode our Co-Motion Mocha the length of the trail last week on 26 x 1.25 Tioga City Slickers which worked fine - not too skinny, not too fat. We put on fenders for the first time this trip in case we had rain or a wet trail. That didn't happen but maybe the fenders helped keep everything a little cleaner.
mark from saline township, illinois on 06/21/2006 06:02 PM
we have succesfully ridden our tandem on the katy with 700mm x 28mm tires. our loaded weight is about 440 pounds. in a couple of wet sections i would have preferred a slightly wider tire. we are currently using armadillo brand 28mm tires and have had no flat problems on our chat surfaced rural roads. the running surface and sidewalls on these tires appear much stouter than our previous michelens and race-lites.
Bella Garden Cafe (St Charles)
- + Charming cafe. Outdoor shaded dining surrounded by grape vines and shaded by Redbud trees. Indoor tables also available. Nice, simple menu, serving breakfast, lunch and dinner. Nice selection of w...
Discussion started 06/21/2006 05:34 PM by Karl B - 0 repliesKarl B from St. Charles, MO on 06/21/2006 05:34 PM
Charming cafe. Outdoor shaded dining surrounded by grape vines and shaded by Redbud trees. Indoor tables also available. Nice, simple menu, serving breakfast, lunch and dinner. Nice selection of wine and an interesting dessert menu (Blackberry Pie!!). Had breakfast there with my daughter- 20 June 2006. Located right next to the hot sauce store with over 2000 different kinds of insane hot sauce.
Karl B from St. Charles, MO on 06/21/2006 05:34 PM
Charming cafe. Outdoor shaded dining surrounded by grape vines and shaded by Redbud trees. Indoor tables also available. Nice, simple menu, serving breakfast, lunch and dinner. Nice selection of wine and an interesting dessert menu (Blackberry Pie!!). Had breakfast there with my daughter- 20 June 2006. Located right next to the hot sauce store with over 2000 different kinds of insane hot sauce.